希腊占星中的各种有趣的话题汇总(不断更新)
前言:本来想写希腊占星中的相位概念的,但是目前搜集和跟踪到的资料依然不够写清楚一个专题的,但是我觉得还是有必要继续保持一周写一篇占星日记的习惯,把我了解的都写出来,因为人生无常,希望在有限的时间内把知道的希腊占星内容全部写出来。
这次就把我在国外论坛看到的关于一些有趣的,值得深思或者探讨的话题汇总一下,有兴趣的可以看看。
一、太阳在巨蟹座入庙的内容:
The Zoroastrians suggest the Moon moves too fast to have its own Zoidion, but as she has an affinity to Cancer she is allowed co-rulership with the Sun. The text first says flat-out in assigning domiciles:"of the Sun, Leo and Cancer".
点评:月亮因为移动的太快因而无法拥有属于自己的星座,但是月亮对巨蟹座有强烈的关联性,亲合性,因此被允许和太阳一起成为巨蟹座的宫主。
The next paragraph follows by stating "[there is no house of the Moon, but by sympathy, Leo and Cancer being the houses of the Sun, the Moon is co-inhabitant of Cancer]."
(Trans by Schmidt, Project Hindsight)
点评:与上段一样的意思,狮子座和巨蟹座都是太阳的庙宫,月亮在巨蟹与太阳共管。
我自己的理解:日、月,巨蟹座和狮子座的关系,如同皇帝,太后,皇后的关系,虽然后宫(巨蟹座)是皇后管,但实际还是属于皇帝所有,因为她们都是皇帝的女人。
二、擢升守护的地位(Exaltation Lord)
Remember that the domicile lord provides or manages a Zoidion, but the exaltation lord owns it !
点评:这句话点出了入庙守护和擢升守护的关系——擢升守护是星座的实际拥有者,入庙守护则为擢升守护管理该星座的事宜。
点评:这个希腊占星爱好者提到的问题就是入庙守护和擢升守护的关系的,因为他听说过:擢升守护是星座的实际拥有者,入庙守护是擢升守护的仆人或者管家。
Hm. I sure seemed to get that impression last time I heard him speak about it.
“The exaltation lord owns the estate, and the domicile lords act as the hosts. ”
点评:另外一个希腊占星研究者回答,他确实有所耳闻(指希腊占星学者Schmidt组织的希腊占星课程),擢升守护拥有星座,而入庙守护仅仅作为管理者。
Overseers - or building superintendents. I kinda got the picture of the Domicile Lord working for the Exaltation Lord, or looking after the affairs of the House for the Exaltation Lord.
点评:这个希腊占星爱好者说的话基本与上面一致,擢升守护类似监工的角色,入庙守护为擢升守护工作或者说入庙守护负责照看擢升守护的资产。
Schmidt explained this very clearly, but he doesn’t seem to be listened to much these days...
To understand this you have to understand the joys of the planets and the doctrine of sect. If you will notice... the joys of the masculine planets are all in places where they don’t have to share power with the planet contrary to sect: Mars prefers Scorpio to Aries because Mars is obligated to lift up the Sun (meaning of exaltation - "hupsoma" in Greek) in Aries. Mars hates doing this but Schmidt says that this is like "crossing the isle" politically between democrats and republicans (the two sects of day and night) so that both can get something out of the bill...
Saturn prefer’s Aquarius to Capricorn for the same reason as Saturn is obligated to lift up Mars in Capricorn of the contrary sect which is why it joys in Aquarius. In Capricorn, Saturn is just an "oikodektor" which means "one who gives ear to" or "pays attention to".
Jupiter prefers Sagittarius to Pisces for the same reason, but Pisces being the sign of 2 benefics, each has mutual respect for each other and again this exaltation is contrary to sect.
点评:这几段话同样是对擢升地位的有趣描述,不过是从星体的joy(喜乐层面,注意星体的喜乐不仅仅是宫位层面的,比如什么火星6宫喜乐,金星5宫喜乐,太阳9宫喜乐,还有星座层面的,比如火星相比白羊座,更喜乐于天蝎座)
为什么火星相比白羊座喜乐于天蝎座,因为太阳在白羊座擢升,如果按照前述的所有段落的描述,擢升是星座的真正主人,入庙守护必须为其服务的话,那么火星在白羊座必须服务于擢升的太阳,这是火星很不乐意的,所以火星在没有擢升守护的天蝎座喜乐,因为在这个星座,他是真正的王和主人。
阳性、男性化的的星体,土星,木星,火星均喜乐于没有擢升守护的星座,土星喜乐水瓶,木星喜射手,火星喜天蝎,太阳喜狮子座(巨蟹座木星擢升)。
阴性、女性化的星体,月金,则没有任何一个入庙星座,该星座没有擢升守护,比如金星在金牛要服务月亮,在天秤要服务土星,也印证了女性的社会角色,相夫角子,服务的性质(女权主义者不要扔臭鸡蛋)
三、分宫的问题(整宫和四分仪分宫的性质和用法)
There are two place (house) systems. One shows topics, and the other the frequency of events expected (angular = greater than normal; succedent = normal; cadent = less than normal).
There are topical places (whole sign).
These give the determination for various topics.
There are dynamical places (the areas where the planets fall)
These show the number of events expected by the planet.
点评:有两类分宫系统,一类用来确定生活的12个大领域,另外一类用来确定星体运作所带来的事件频率。
整宫用来确定星体运作的生活领域。
四分仪分宫用来确定星体运作所带来事件的频率和多寡。
A 10th whole sign planet falling in the 9th dynamic place will give a less than average number of events as the 9th is a cadent place, but the planet will still deal in 10th place topics.
Let’s stop comparing apples to lug nuts.
点评:星体落整宫下的10宫,但是落四分仪分宫的9宫,该星体运作关联的是10宫事宜,但是事件频率要小于四分仪分宫落10、11等宫的星体。
点评:我们看命度ASC附近的两个区域,ASC轴的上面白色区域(即所谓的四分仪分宫的12宫)写着:“Cadent 1st,few events to do with 1st”(落四分仪分宫果宫区域的整宫1宫,产生的跟1宫事件将比较有限。)
ASC轴的下面黑色区域(即所谓的四分仪分宫1宫)写着:“Angular 1st,many events to do with 1st”(落四分仪分宫角宫区域的整宫1宫,产生的跟1宫事件将非常多。)
四、互容(mutual reception)
Reception is always confined to domicile rulers.
Read it as an inconvenient benefic.
Mutual reception does not occur between other than domicile lords.
点评:古典占星中非希腊占星的部分,很多都有混合互容,界互容,三分主星互容的概念,但是希腊占星中纯正的互容仅限于入庙守护的层面。
很有趣的是这个占星爱好者将其定义为“inconvenient benefic”——间接的吉祥有利?Or 不方便的吉祥有利?
Notwitjhstanding the polar bear digression, let's get bac to the topic under consideration.
there are a few more situations other than reception that bear (not polar) attention.
点评:除了入庙互容外,希腊占星还有一些情况需要注意。
From Antiochus of Athens...
Concerning Participation
"There is communion whenever two planets should be present upon one zoidion or should border upon it, while it should happen to be the house of one, the exaltation of the other".
I assume this is a strong placement, providing the zoidia is in a good place.
点评:这个情形是星座的入庙和擢升守护同时落该星座,例如太阳和火星落白羊座,金星和土星落天秤座,火星和土星落摩羯座等等。如果这种情形发生于好宫,据说是一种强力吉祥的配置。
Concerning Recriprocal Mastership
"Stars are said to be masters of each other whenever the exaltation of the one and the house of the other should be the zoidia in which the stars happen to be".
Also a strong condition, again considering house placement
点评:这个是入庙和擢升守护的混合互容,比如太阳双鱼,木星白羊即属于这种情形,或者金星白羊,火星双鱼等等。依然被判定为强有力的配置。
Concerning Juxtaposition
"There is juxtaposition whenever stars should be within the same boundaries either bodily or by figure, or should border upon each other with respect to the boundaries of the same star".
This reads like the exchange of bounds, which I believe is considered detrimental.
点评:这个属于界主互容(mutual reception by terms),不过该占星达人认为该情形是不太好的。
五、凶星运作的一些有趣的特点
Valens says that when planets are in their own places, even when in hard aspects (say Saturn in Aquarius square Mars in Scorpio) then these are turned toward the good. Schmidt adds the stipulation that malefics in such a condition mean benefits for the natives but at the expense of others around them (particularly when the chart is eminent).
点评:凶星在入庙、擢升、落自己守护的界的状态时,将有利于盘主,但是这种对盘主的有利和吉祥是在以他人付出代价的前提下,比如火星征象的斗士,将军等都是见证了无数人的死亡、流血成长起来的,公正严明的包青天闻名于世的代价是无数罪犯的落网。
Since malefics cause benefits at the expense of others.
点评:这句话再次点出了凶星运作的特点,即凶星如果状态良好,其运作将有利于盘主,但是是在他人付出代价的前提下,成就盘主的。(补充:如果状态不好,那么可能是自己付出惨痛的代价)。
六、希腊占星中关于教育的讨论
According to Valens, it is Mercury that signifies the education of young children, and Jupiter signifying knowledge.
点评:水星征象常规教育,木星征象知识。
Education per se seems to have no specific place assigned giving signs for that topic. The ninth gives signs for gods, dreams and living abroad, as in philosophy, religion, metaphysics; travel outside the city or foreign (long distance) journeys; and receiving the favors from kings as the Sun rejoices in that place.
点评:教育就其本身而言似乎没有特定的宫位能够征象它(虽然有水星征象)。9宫征象神,梦想,旅居海外,哲学,宗教以及得到国王或者BOSS的喜爱。
The third place is brothers, siblings, in-laws, intimate (close) friends, trips withing the city or familiar places, and short trips abroad. As a cadent place, it gives signs for travel, not education.
点评:3宫同样没有任何关联教育的内涵,征象兄弟姊妹,密友,在市内或熟悉地区的旅行等。
Keep in mind that all planets can signify a particular career, and a college education now is no more than specific vocational training. Further, college may be adversely affected by the circumstances in which the native finds himself. Sometimes college is delayed by marriage, childbirth, military service, or economic reasons. If so, it may become more difficult to resume one’s formal education as more immediate responsibilities and concerns manifest.
Additionally, possessing a college degree is no indication of ’knowledge’. In fact, it may interfere with the capability of independent thought. Politically liberal brainwashing is notorious for squelching the ability to reason.
点评:这个与占星没有太大关系,不过这个美国占星师也说出了教育和真正知识的差别。
七、精神点和福点的简洁描述
Fortune is the Lot of the Moon. It represents a passive principle, what befalls you outside of your control, chance. Spirit is the Lot of the Sun. It represents an active principle, what comes about as a result of your will. Yin and Yang. They're more correctly called the Lot of Fortune and the Lot of Spirit, or just Fortune and Spirit.
点评:福点含有被动的意味,征象发生在你身上的,超出你控制范围内的事件、人物。
精神点含有主动的意味,征象由你自己主动意志采取行动而引发的各种结果。
八、福点宫位你听说过吗?(Lot House)
I assume they remain equvalant to the natal houses, showing fortune...
I suggest the lord of the lot in the 5th from the lot shows one fortunate with children. in the 11th fortunate with aquisitiions, etc etc...
点评:基于福点的衍生宫,依然保留相应的含义,只是展现对应的福德。
例如福点的守护落福点的5宫可以研判盘主在生育孩子方面的福德等等。
这次就把我在国外论坛看到的关于一些有趣的,值得深思或者探讨的话题汇总一下,有兴趣的可以看看。
一、太阳在巨蟹座入庙的内容:
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The Zoroastrians suggest the Moon moves too fast to have its own Zoidion, but as she has an affinity to Cancer she is allowed co-rulership with the Sun. The text first says flat-out in assigning domiciles:"of the Sun, Leo and Cancer".
点评:月亮因为移动的太快因而无法拥有属于自己的星座,但是月亮对巨蟹座有强烈的关联性,亲合性,因此被允许和太阳一起成为巨蟹座的宫主。
The next paragraph follows by stating "[there is no house of the Moon, but by sympathy, Leo and Cancer being the houses of the Sun, the Moon is co-inhabitant of Cancer]."
(Trans by Schmidt, Project Hindsight)
点评:与上段一样的意思,狮子座和巨蟹座都是太阳的庙宫,月亮在巨蟹与太阳共管。
我自己的理解:日、月,巨蟹座和狮子座的关系,如同皇帝,太后,皇后的关系,虽然后宫(巨蟹座)是皇后管,但实际还是属于皇帝所有,因为她们都是皇帝的女人。
二、擢升守护的地位(Exaltation Lord)
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Remember that the domicile lord provides or manages a Zoidion, but the exaltation lord owns it !
点评:这句话点出了入庙守护和擢升守护的关系——擢升守护是星座的实际拥有者,入庙守护则为擢升守护管理该星座的事宜。
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点评:这个希腊占星爱好者提到的问题就是入庙守护和擢升守护的关系的,因为他听说过:擢升守护是星座的实际拥有者,入庙守护是擢升守护的仆人或者管家。
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Hm. I sure seemed to get that impression last time I heard him speak about it.
“The exaltation lord owns the estate, and the domicile lords act as the hosts. ”
点评:另外一个希腊占星研究者回答,他确实有所耳闻(指希腊占星学者Schmidt组织的希腊占星课程),擢升守护拥有星座,而入庙守护仅仅作为管理者。
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Overseers - or building superintendents. I kinda got the picture of the Domicile Lord working for the Exaltation Lord, or looking after the affairs of the House for the Exaltation Lord.
点评:这个希腊占星爱好者说的话基本与上面一致,擢升守护类似监工的角色,入庙守护为擢升守护工作或者说入庙守护负责照看擢升守护的资产。
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Schmidt explained this very clearly, but he doesn’t seem to be listened to much these days...
To understand this you have to understand the joys of the planets and the doctrine of sect. If you will notice... the joys of the masculine planets are all in places where they don’t have to share power with the planet contrary to sect: Mars prefers Scorpio to Aries because Mars is obligated to lift up the Sun (meaning of exaltation - "hupsoma" in Greek) in Aries. Mars hates doing this but Schmidt says that this is like "crossing the isle" politically between democrats and republicans (the two sects of day and night) so that both can get something out of the bill...
Saturn prefer’s Aquarius to Capricorn for the same reason as Saturn is obligated to lift up Mars in Capricorn of the contrary sect which is why it joys in Aquarius. In Capricorn, Saturn is just an "oikodektor" which means "one who gives ear to" or "pays attention to".
Jupiter prefers Sagittarius to Pisces for the same reason, but Pisces being the sign of 2 benefics, each has mutual respect for each other and again this exaltation is contrary to sect.
点评:这几段话同样是对擢升地位的有趣描述,不过是从星体的joy(喜乐层面,注意星体的喜乐不仅仅是宫位层面的,比如什么火星6宫喜乐,金星5宫喜乐,太阳9宫喜乐,还有星座层面的,比如火星相比白羊座,更喜乐于天蝎座)
为什么火星相比白羊座喜乐于天蝎座,因为太阳在白羊座擢升,如果按照前述的所有段落的描述,擢升是星座的真正主人,入庙守护必须为其服务的话,那么火星在白羊座必须服务于擢升的太阳,这是火星很不乐意的,所以火星在没有擢升守护的天蝎座喜乐,因为在这个星座,他是真正的王和主人。
阳性、男性化的的星体,土星,木星,火星均喜乐于没有擢升守护的星座,土星喜乐水瓶,木星喜射手,火星喜天蝎,太阳喜狮子座(巨蟹座木星擢升)。
阴性、女性化的星体,月金,则没有任何一个入庙星座,该星座没有擢升守护,比如金星在金牛要服务月亮,在天秤要服务土星,也印证了女性的社会角色,相夫角子,服务的性质(女权主义者不要扔臭鸡蛋)
三、分宫的问题(整宫和四分仪分宫的性质和用法)
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There are two place (house) systems. One shows topics, and the other the frequency of events expected (angular = greater than normal; succedent = normal; cadent = less than normal).
There are topical places (whole sign).
These give the determination for various topics.
There are dynamical places (the areas where the planets fall)
These show the number of events expected by the planet.
点评:有两类分宫系统,一类用来确定生活的12个大领域,另外一类用来确定星体运作所带来的事件频率。
整宫用来确定星体运作的生活领域。
四分仪分宫用来确定星体运作所带来事件的频率和多寡。
A 10th whole sign planet falling in the 9th dynamic place will give a less than average number of events as the 9th is a cadent place, but the planet will still deal in 10th place topics.
Let’s stop comparing apples to lug nuts.
点评:星体落整宫下的10宫,但是落四分仪分宫的9宫,该星体运作关联的是10宫事宜,但是事件频率要小于四分仪分宫落10、11等宫的星体。
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点评:我们看命度ASC附近的两个区域,ASC轴的上面白色区域(即所谓的四分仪分宫的12宫)写着:“Cadent 1st,few events to do with 1st”(落四分仪分宫果宫区域的整宫1宫,产生的跟1宫事件将比较有限。)
ASC轴的下面黑色区域(即所谓的四分仪分宫1宫)写着:“Angular 1st,many events to do with 1st”(落四分仪分宫角宫区域的整宫1宫,产生的跟1宫事件将非常多。)
四、互容(mutual reception)
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Reception is always confined to domicile rulers.
Read it as an inconvenient benefic.
Mutual reception does not occur between other than domicile lords.
点评:古典占星中非希腊占星的部分,很多都有混合互容,界互容,三分主星互容的概念,但是希腊占星中纯正的互容仅限于入庙守护的层面。
很有趣的是这个占星爱好者将其定义为“inconvenient benefic”——间接的吉祥有利?Or 不方便的吉祥有利?
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Notwitjhstanding the polar bear digression, let's get bac to the topic under consideration.
there are a few more situations other than reception that bear (not polar) attention.
点评:除了入庙互容外,希腊占星还有一些情况需要注意。
From Antiochus of Athens...
Concerning Participation
"There is communion whenever two planets should be present upon one zoidion or should border upon it, while it should happen to be the house of one, the exaltation of the other".
I assume this is a strong placement, providing the zoidia is in a good place.
点评:这个情形是星座的入庙和擢升守护同时落该星座,例如太阳和火星落白羊座,金星和土星落天秤座,火星和土星落摩羯座等等。如果这种情形发生于好宫,据说是一种强力吉祥的配置。
Concerning Recriprocal Mastership
"Stars are said to be masters of each other whenever the exaltation of the one and the house of the other should be the zoidia in which the stars happen to be".
Also a strong condition, again considering house placement
点评:这个是入庙和擢升守护的混合互容,比如太阳双鱼,木星白羊即属于这种情形,或者金星白羊,火星双鱼等等。依然被判定为强有力的配置。
Concerning Juxtaposition
"There is juxtaposition whenever stars should be within the same boundaries either bodily or by figure, or should border upon each other with respect to the boundaries of the same star".
This reads like the exchange of bounds, which I believe is considered detrimental.
点评:这个属于界主互容(mutual reception by terms),不过该占星达人认为该情形是不太好的。
五、凶星运作的一些有趣的特点
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Valens says that when planets are in their own places, even when in hard aspects (say Saturn in Aquarius square Mars in Scorpio) then these are turned toward the good. Schmidt adds the stipulation that malefics in such a condition mean benefits for the natives but at the expense of others around them (particularly when the chart is eminent).
点评:凶星在入庙、擢升、落自己守护的界的状态时,将有利于盘主,但是这种对盘主的有利和吉祥是在以他人付出代价的前提下,比如火星征象的斗士,将军等都是见证了无数人的死亡、流血成长起来的,公正严明的包青天闻名于世的代价是无数罪犯的落网。
Since malefics cause benefits at the expense of others.
点评:这句话再次点出了凶星运作的特点,即凶星如果状态良好,其运作将有利于盘主,但是是在他人付出代价的前提下,成就盘主的。(补充:如果状态不好,那么可能是自己付出惨痛的代价)。
六、希腊占星中关于教育的讨论
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According to Valens, it is Mercury that signifies the education of young children, and Jupiter signifying knowledge.
点评:水星征象常规教育,木星征象知识。
Education per se seems to have no specific place assigned giving signs for that topic. The ninth gives signs for gods, dreams and living abroad, as in philosophy, religion, metaphysics; travel outside the city or foreign (long distance) journeys; and receiving the favors from kings as the Sun rejoices in that place.
点评:教育就其本身而言似乎没有特定的宫位能够征象它(虽然有水星征象)。9宫征象神,梦想,旅居海外,哲学,宗教以及得到国王或者BOSS的喜爱。
The third place is brothers, siblings, in-laws, intimate (close) friends, trips withing the city or familiar places, and short trips abroad. As a cadent place, it gives signs for travel, not education.
点评:3宫同样没有任何关联教育的内涵,征象兄弟姊妹,密友,在市内或熟悉地区的旅行等。
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Keep in mind that all planets can signify a particular career, and a college education now is no more than specific vocational training. Further, college may be adversely affected by the circumstances in which the native finds himself. Sometimes college is delayed by marriage, childbirth, military service, or economic reasons. If so, it may become more difficult to resume one’s formal education as more immediate responsibilities and concerns manifest.
Additionally, possessing a college degree is no indication of ’knowledge’. In fact, it may interfere with the capability of independent thought. Politically liberal brainwashing is notorious for squelching the ability to reason.
点评:这个与占星没有太大关系,不过这个美国占星师也说出了教育和真正知识的差别。
七、精神点和福点的简洁描述
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Fortune is the Lot of the Moon. It represents a passive principle, what befalls you outside of your control, chance. Spirit is the Lot of the Sun. It represents an active principle, what comes about as a result of your will. Yin and Yang. They're more correctly called the Lot of Fortune and the Lot of Spirit, or just Fortune and Spirit.
点评:福点含有被动的意味,征象发生在你身上的,超出你控制范围内的事件、人物。
精神点含有主动的意味,征象由你自己主动意志采取行动而引发的各种结果。
八、福点宫位你听说过吗?(Lot House)
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I assume they remain equvalant to the natal houses, showing fortune...
I suggest the lord of the lot in the 5th from the lot shows one fortunate with children. in the 11th fortunate with aquisitiions, etc etc...
点评:基于福点的衍生宫,依然保留相应的含义,只是展现对应的福德。
例如福点的守护落福点的5宫可以研判盘主在生育孩子方面的福德等等。
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