KK谈写作计划：下一步来点儿不一样的
5月15日，「KK对话未来」专栏在喜马拉雅FM正式上线。
同一天，「互联网教父」凯文·凯利来到中国的余姚，过了一把「网红」瘾——在夜晚的湖边，KK小酌过后，第一次尝试用网络直播的方式与粉丝交流互动，同时在线人数高达62.2万。
在这场直播中，KK聊到了未来的教育、新经济、互联网、机器人和新病毒等，同时，KK还对他的下一本书，以及自己在喜马拉雅FM开设的中文音频专栏进行了介绍和展望。
赵嘉敏，译言网创始人，KK在中国的出版人，《KK对话未来》音频专栏中文主讲人。
李大巍，他山石智库创始人。
音频回放可点击「KK对话未来专栏」
或者去 一直播 看视频
以下为现场直播实录（整理删减版）
一、KK谈教育
「每隔五年你就必须学习一套新东西。」
李大巍：凯文，来自北京师范大学的邵先生提问，您对于未来的教育怎么看？
KK：I think there is only one skill that we should teach in school. I think we should teach every person how to learn in the rest of his life. Learn how to learn. The only skill is going to be worthwhile when we don’t even know what to know in the future. Learning how to learn is the primary skill that we should teach in education. The rest of it, I think, doesn’t really matter. （我认为，学校里只应该教一项技能，那就是终生学习能力，「学习如何学习」的能力。当我们不知道未来应该去学习什么时，这就是最重要的技能。其他都是次要的。）
Life-long learning, personal learning, optimized learning. Without that, the next thing that comes along, you will not be able to catch very quickly. There is going to be new operating systems, new languages, new gestures, there are going to be so many new things.Every five years, you have to keep learning and learn how to learn.（终身学习，个体学习，还有优化学习。如果你不掌握这项能力，那么当下一轮洗牌发生时，你就无法迅速赶上潮流。新事物可能包括新的操作系统，新的手势，新的语言，新东西太多了。每隔五年你就必须学习一套新东西。）
The honest answer is that you still need to know how to read, some basic ideas of math, and be able to write to communicate. These skills are important. I don’t think learning how to learn is the only thing you have to learn, but the most important. If you know how to learn, you can learn how to read if you know how to learn.（坦率地说，你依然需要掌握语文和算术，这些技能很重要。「学习如何学习」的能力不是人们所需的唯一一项技能，但却是最重要的一项。如果你掌握了它，你可以自己去学习其他技能。）
二、KK谈新经济
「新经济增长快，是一件好事。」
嘉敏：有个网友问下一波的财富在哪儿，我把这个问题抛给了KK。
KK：I think the biggest companies in the world in the next twenty years are going to be VR companies. They are going to gather a lot of data about us. They will become some of the largest companies in the world. At the high end, the extreme end, the most wealth will be made in virtual reality. But there are going to be only very few winners, so it’s not a good choice for individuals, or many individuals. As an industry, as a sector, virtual reality will make the most wealth, but it’s not a thing I recommend to each person to make the most wealth（在接下来的二十年中，虚拟现实公司将成为全球最大的公司。它们会收集很多关于我们的数据。在最高精尖的层次上，虚拟现实将产生最多的新财富。但是只有数量很少的一些会成为最终的胜利者，所以它对个人并不是很好的选择，至少对许多人是这样。作为一个行业，虚拟行业会带来最多财富，但我并不推荐每一个想赚大钱的人去投身其中。）
李大巍：有人问新经济增长过快，你认为这是好事吗？
KK：I don’t think it’s a bad thing. That must be that other shops are not so efficient. Maybe you don’t want efficiency, in this case you go shopping in these stores. But so far it’s not happening. I think they will do if they change, we are having the same thing in America. The Amazon is so big. There are many smaller shops go away, and many people are concerned about it. Everybody is shopping there.It’s better experience, better price, it’s an improvement. It’s good that it goes on so fast.（我不认为这是一件坏事。旧的商店消失，肯定是因为它们效率太低。你或许并不那么关心效率，在这种情况下，你会去低效的商店购物。但至少现在看没人会这么做。旧的商店必须改变才能生存下来，美国也是这样。亚马逊现在发展得很大，许多小店铺都倒闭了，许多人很担心这种情况。但大家还是会到亚马逊买东西，那里价格更便宜，服务也更好，这是一项进步。新经济发展得这么快，这是件好事啊。）
李大巍：一位来自厦门的赵先生问：共享经济在中国很火，去年共享单车ofo、摩拜都很厉害，共享经济的未来是什么样？
KK：I think there are going to be more, more things to be shared. Maybe furniture, camping equipment, sports equipment.You can use the latest equipment released this year and you clean it, give it back and pass it on without storing it in your basement or garage. I think what we see right now is keep thinking of more sectors, it could be food, clothes, houses, without buying them.（我想共享经济会继续发展，越来越多的东西会被共享，比方说家具、野营用品、运动装备等。你可以用上今年新推出的设备，用完之后清理好，还回去，再给别人用，而不用把它们堆到地下室或者车库里。我想很多行业会进入共享经济，包括食品、服装、房屋等。）
三、KK谈互联网
「互联网就像丛林，像城市。」
李大巍：有个网上的朋友问，如果我们把网络看做是生物，那么我们怎么用生物学来描述它？
KK：There is a guy that studies organizations, of bacteria, to the city, to the Internet, the humans, all kinds of things. There are two kinds of things, organisms and eco-systems.（我认识一位研究组织的学者，他的研究范围小至细菌，大到城市、互联网乃至整个人类。世界上有两类组织：生物个体与生态系统。）
The Internet is growing more like a city, than like an organism. It’s more like an eco-system, rather than a starfish, or a rabbit. So what it means that all organisms have life spans, they all die. But eco-systems and cities continue on almost forever. He discovered that companies are more like organisms, butInternet is different, it’s like a jungle, a city.（互联网的扩张方式更类似城市和雨林这样的生态系统，而非海星、兔子这样的生物个体。所有个体生物都是有生命周期的，它们都会死。但是生态系统和城市能够几乎永远存在下去。他发现，公司类似于生物个体，但互联网是不一样的，互联网就像丛林，像城市。）
四、KK谈机器人
「人是可以对机器人产生感情的。」
李大巍：你见了很多中国企业家、科学家，你怎么看中国机器人业。
KK：I think it’s like what I said about innovation. It’s half way. There are a lot of activities, money flowing into it, lots of people working on it. But it’s only begun to be innovative. Now people are trying to optimize based on the industry base, to make something better, but I think robotics is far behind leading states, like Japan. But it’s trying hard.（中国还在半途中，中国的机器人行业很热，吸引了大量资源和人员，但创新之路才刚刚开始。现在主要还是在原有底子的基础上逐步优化改进，与日本等领先国家还有很大差距。当然，中国人还是很努力的。）
李大巍：你觉得人工智能和机器人需要在学校内学习吗？传统的教育已经包含了一切。
KK：I don’t think we are going to teach AI or robots in the same way we teach humans. Of course, they need to be educated, but they should be educated in a different way, because their minds are different.（训练机器人或人工智能的方式与教育人类肯定不一样，因为它们的思维方式与人不一样。）
李大巍：按我们刚说的理论，我们认为机器人应该有感情，我们拜访过的甘博士说，有数十亿机器人会把他当母亲，你能想象到吗？
KK：It’s really a good question about AI and self-awareness. They can certainly have respect or even emotions to their maker, or “mother” even without being self-aware, in the same way that cats or dogs may actually show sensations for the owner even without being self-aware. I think it’s very possible that robots are loyal or respect or honor their owner, and they don’t need to be very smart to do that. Just as smart as a cat. I would like to say that one of the metaphors about our AI is to imagine them to be cats, really smart cats. They are really capable of doing a lot of things, and intelligent in a certain way. They are able to receive love, and even give us love. So I think the robots may care for people in the library, they may have relationship with humans. It’s like a monkey that can take care of you, people will feel very strong.（这是个关于人工智能和自我意识的好问题。机器人当然可以尊敬自己的创造者，或者说「母亲」，甚至对其产生情感，就像猫狗对主人表现出感情一样，这并不需要自我意识。我想，机器人很可能会忠于和尊重自己的主人，这并不需要多高的智能。你可以把人工智能想成猫，非常聪明的猫。它们能做很多事情，还拥有一定程度的智能，能够感受爱，甚至可以回馈爱。机器人可能会在图书馆里为人们服务，在这个过程中与人产生情感练习。人工智能就像一只猴子，能照顾你的猴子，这样的话，人就会对机器人产生强烈的感情。）
Anybody that has an emotional relationship with Roomba and other robots. If we have strong feelings towards something, say the pet. We may love the pet, pig or bird. Is there anybody that can love a robot?（有人对机器人产生过感情吗？我们会对一些东西产生强烈的感情，比如宠物，我们可能会爱宠物，不管是小猪还是小鸟。但有人「爱」过机器人吗？）
I think one thing that surprises us that we may have emotions or love for robots. They will also love us back. It’s not difficult to program emotions into AI. I think right now this is a crazy idea that we love robots, and robots love us back. But it’s going to happen, and a lot, and…（现在要是说人对机器人有感情，或者「爱」机器人，而且机器人还会反过来「爱」人，人们大概会觉得很惊讶。实际上，将情绪加入人工智能程序并不困难。上面提到的现象必定会发生……）
People will get used to it. Of course, we can love our pets, and our pets will show us love. Why we would think that a robot couldn’t do that?（人们也会习惯的。我们当然会爱自己的宠物，它们也会表现出来爱的样子。为什么机器人就不行呢？）
五、KK谈病毒
「将来，机器人安全会成为一个热门行业。」
嘉敏：Kevin，有个新问题。有网友问有关病毒的问题，就是最近爆发的超强病毒。他的问题是，如果将来机器人感染了病毒怎么办？
KK：Right. What if they have a ransomware for your robots? They stop working until you pay the ransom.（没错。如果出现了针对机器人的勒索病毒怎么办？只要不付钱，你的机器人就一直罢工。）
嘉敏：那我们怎么办？
KK：What we should do? Pay.（我们要怎么办？掏钱吧。）
李大巍：但是凯文，不能跟机器人谈判吗？
KK：You will have another robot that negotiate for you.（你会有专门的砍价机器人的。）
李大巍：我们可以培养一批机器人帮着来跟其他的机器人来砍价。这个也是未来的创业方向，大家可以试一下。
KK：It’s a good point about the fact that if we start to depend on the robots, then when they don’t work, that’s going to be very devastating to us. For sure, people will try to take over other people’s robots. I think people will do that. That will be an issue.Security for robots will be a big thing. We are teaching in businesses that we should not open emails by strangers. Now we should teach robots not to open emails, talk to or interactive with other robots. Don’t talk to strangers.（如果我们开始依赖机器人，那么它们一旦罢工就是大麻烦。这是一个很好的点。当然会有人尝试控制别人的机器人，这是一个问题，机器人安全会成为一个热门行业。在企业里，我们会教员工不要打开陌生邮件。现在我们也需要教机器人不要打开陌生邮件，不要与陌生的机器人交流。总之，「不要跟陌生人讲话」）
六、KK谈下一本书
「准备记录正在消失的亚洲传统。」
嘉敏：你的下一本书会写什么？
KK：I’m working on a book of photographs about the vanishing Asia, about the traditions that are disappearing, including those in China. The ceremonies, the festivals, the dresses, the rituals, they are all disappearing. I’m trying to document them before they disappear. That’s the immediate book that I am working on this year.（我目前正在做一本图册，讲述「消逝的亚洲」，呈现正在消失的亚洲传统，也包括中国的。仪式、节日、服饰、典礼，它们都在消失，我希望在它们彻底消失前将它们记录下来。我今年正在做的就是这件事。）
After that, the book I’m working on right now is trying to do a scenario for the future that is comprehensive, crossing many disciplines and the history. The scenario is going to include what roads will be like in 2051, 2052 and 2053. It’s comprehensive in the sense that it’s on the rise, but there are already some predecessor inventions that are also around at the same time. Everybody has phone, cellphone, phones on the desks. Phones of different ages. Technology has a history, it’s not just new stuff, but is new and all.（之后我会试图描绘一幅全面的、跨学科、有历史感的未来图景，谈谈2051、2052、2053年的道路会是什么样子的之类的问题。之所以说它是全面的，在于它不仅会谈正在兴起的新事物，而是会新旧共存。每个人都有电话，不仅有手机，也有座机，各个时代的电话。科技是有历史的，不仅包括新事物，也包含旧事物。）
It’s way of building a world. It’s called world building. It’s going to be a scenario, a picture of the future, but instead of having a world in 2050, but progressing in 2045,2047, each year. It has a history.（这就是所谓的「世界观搭建」，不只是描述2050年的世界是什么样的，而是要谈2045年，2047年，逐年地去讲。这是一个有历史的世界。）
I’m going to research the long-term trends of food, sports, education and transportation. But I want integrate them together, to make a single world, and use them to make some predictions. I want to write some science fictions in that world.（我会研究众多行业的长期趋势，包括食品、运动、教育、运输。我要把它们整合进一个完整的世界中，再用它们来进行预测。我还想在这个世界观的基础上创作科幻作品。）
七、KK谈音频专栏
「文化的中心已经不再是书本了。」
嘉敏：有一个问题，我得代我们的喜马拉雅的朋友们问一下，就是关于podcast的想法，就是Kevin怎么会想到做这个podcast，做这个音频的专栏。
KK：The problem with books is that fewer and fewer people are reading books. My kids don’t read books, their friends don’t read books. People are spending their time on Podcasts and YouTube.I want people to be aware that the center of the culture is not books anymore.（纸质书的问题在于，读书人越来越少。我的孩子不读书，他们的朋友也不读书。他们主要是听音频或者看视频。我希望人们注意和认识到，文化的中心已经不再是书本了。）
嘉敏：听众又提出来一个问题，说简单不简单，说复杂不复杂。怎么读您的书呢？因为您的书对一些读者来说非常难懂，有没有一种简单的方式读懂您的书呢？
KK：I think you should listen to thisPodcast we are doing. We are going to take one idea from the book and spend eight minutes of examples, and reinterpretation by Jiamin. That’s one way to read my books.（来听我们的喜马拉雅音频专栏吧，在专栏中，我们会选出一个书里的观点，然后通过原文、例子和赵嘉敏的阐释，来充实为一段八分钟的音频。这是一条阅读我的书的捷径。）
同一天，「互联网教父」凯文·凯利来到中国的余姚，过了一把「网红」瘾——在夜晚的湖边，KK小酌过后，第一次尝试用网络直播的方式与粉丝交流互动，同时在线人数高达62.2万。
在这场直播中，KK聊到了未来的教育、新经济、互联网、机器人和新病毒等，同时，KK还对他的下一本书，以及自己在喜马拉雅FM开设的中文音频专栏进行了介绍和展望。
赵嘉敏，译言网创始人，KK在中国的出版人，《KK对话未来》音频专栏中文主讲人。
李大巍，他山石智库创始人。
音频回放可点击「KK对话未来专栏」
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或者去 一直播 看视频
以下为现场直播实录（整理删减版）
一、KK谈教育
「每隔五年你就必须学习一套新东西。」
李大巍：凯文，来自北京师范大学的邵先生提问，您对于未来的教育怎么看？
KK：I think there is only one skill that we should teach in school. I think we should teach every person how to learn in the rest of his life. Learn how to learn. The only skill is going to be worthwhile when we don’t even know what to know in the future. Learning how to learn is the primary skill that we should teach in education. The rest of it, I think, doesn’t really matter. （我认为，学校里只应该教一项技能，那就是终生学习能力，「学习如何学习」的能力。当我们不知道未来应该去学习什么时，这就是最重要的技能。其他都是次要的。）
Life-long learning, personal learning, optimized learning. Without that, the next thing that comes along, you will not be able to catch very quickly. There is going to be new operating systems, new languages, new gestures, there are going to be so many new things.Every five years, you have to keep learning and learn how to learn.（终身学习，个体学习，还有优化学习。如果你不掌握这项能力，那么当下一轮洗牌发生时，你就无法迅速赶上潮流。新事物可能包括新的操作系统，新的手势，新的语言，新东西太多了。每隔五年你就必须学习一套新东西。）
The honest answer is that you still need to know how to read, some basic ideas of math, and be able to write to communicate. These skills are important. I don’t think learning how to learn is the only thing you have to learn, but the most important. If you know how to learn, you can learn how to read if you know how to learn.（坦率地说，你依然需要掌握语文和算术，这些技能很重要。「学习如何学习」的能力不是人们所需的唯一一项技能，但却是最重要的一项。如果你掌握了它，你可以自己去学习其他技能。）
二、KK谈新经济
「新经济增长快，是一件好事。」
嘉敏：有个网友问下一波的财富在哪儿，我把这个问题抛给了KK。
KK：I think the biggest companies in the world in the next twenty years are going to be VR companies. They are going to gather a lot of data about us. They will become some of the largest companies in the world. At the high end, the extreme end, the most wealth will be made in virtual reality. But there are going to be only very few winners, so it’s not a good choice for individuals, or many individuals. As an industry, as a sector, virtual reality will make the most wealth, but it’s not a thing I recommend to each person to make the most wealth（在接下来的二十年中，虚拟现实公司将成为全球最大的公司。它们会收集很多关于我们的数据。在最高精尖的层次上，虚拟现实将产生最多的新财富。但是只有数量很少的一些会成为最终的胜利者，所以它对个人并不是很好的选择，至少对许多人是这样。作为一个行业，虚拟行业会带来最多财富，但我并不推荐每一个想赚大钱的人去投身其中。）
李大巍：有人问新经济增长过快，你认为这是好事吗？
KK：I don’t think it’s a bad thing. That must be that other shops are not so efficient. Maybe you don’t want efficiency, in this case you go shopping in these stores. But so far it’s not happening. I think they will do if they change, we are having the same thing in America. The Amazon is so big. There are many smaller shops go away, and many people are concerned about it. Everybody is shopping there.It’s better experience, better price, it’s an improvement. It’s good that it goes on so fast.（我不认为这是一件坏事。旧的商店消失，肯定是因为它们效率太低。你或许并不那么关心效率，在这种情况下，你会去低效的商店购物。但至少现在看没人会这么做。旧的商店必须改变才能生存下来，美国也是这样。亚马逊现在发展得很大，许多小店铺都倒闭了，许多人很担心这种情况。但大家还是会到亚马逊买东西，那里价格更便宜，服务也更好，这是一项进步。新经济发展得这么快，这是件好事啊。）
李大巍：一位来自厦门的赵先生问：共享经济在中国很火，去年共享单车ofo、摩拜都很厉害，共享经济的未来是什么样？
KK：I think there are going to be more, more things to be shared. Maybe furniture, camping equipment, sports equipment.You can use the latest equipment released this year and you clean it, give it back and pass it on without storing it in your basement or garage. I think what we see right now is keep thinking of more sectors, it could be food, clothes, houses, without buying them.（我想共享经济会继续发展，越来越多的东西会被共享，比方说家具、野营用品、运动装备等。你可以用上今年新推出的设备，用完之后清理好，还回去，再给别人用，而不用把它们堆到地下室或者车库里。我想很多行业会进入共享经济，包括食品、服装、房屋等。）
三、KK谈互联网
「互联网就像丛林，像城市。」
李大巍：有个网上的朋友问，如果我们把网络看做是生物，那么我们怎么用生物学来描述它？
KK：There is a guy that studies organizations, of bacteria, to the city, to the Internet, the humans, all kinds of things. There are two kinds of things, organisms and eco-systems.（我认识一位研究组织的学者，他的研究范围小至细菌，大到城市、互联网乃至整个人类。世界上有两类组织：生物个体与生态系统。）
The Internet is growing more like a city, than like an organism. It’s more like an eco-system, rather than a starfish, or a rabbit. So what it means that all organisms have life spans, they all die. But eco-systems and cities continue on almost forever. He discovered that companies are more like organisms, butInternet is different, it’s like a jungle, a city.（互联网的扩张方式更类似城市和雨林这样的生态系统，而非海星、兔子这样的生物个体。所有个体生物都是有生命周期的，它们都会死。但是生态系统和城市能够几乎永远存在下去。他发现，公司类似于生物个体，但互联网是不一样的，互联网就像丛林，像城市。）
四、KK谈机器人
「人是可以对机器人产生感情的。」
李大巍：你见了很多中国企业家、科学家，你怎么看中国机器人业。
KK：I think it’s like what I said about innovation. It’s half way. There are a lot of activities, money flowing into it, lots of people working on it. But it’s only begun to be innovative. Now people are trying to optimize based on the industry base, to make something better, but I think robotics is far behind leading states, like Japan. But it’s trying hard.（中国还在半途中，中国的机器人行业很热，吸引了大量资源和人员，但创新之路才刚刚开始。现在主要还是在原有底子的基础上逐步优化改进，与日本等领先国家还有很大差距。当然，中国人还是很努力的。）
李大巍：你觉得人工智能和机器人需要在学校内学习吗？传统的教育已经包含了一切。
KK：I don’t think we are going to teach AI or robots in the same way we teach humans. Of course, they need to be educated, but they should be educated in a different way, because their minds are different.（训练机器人或人工智能的方式与教育人类肯定不一样，因为它们的思维方式与人不一样。）
李大巍：按我们刚说的理论，我们认为机器人应该有感情，我们拜访过的甘博士说，有数十亿机器人会把他当母亲，你能想象到吗？
KK：It’s really a good question about AI and self-awareness. They can certainly have respect or even emotions to their maker, or “mother” even without being self-aware, in the same way that cats or dogs may actually show sensations for the owner even without being self-aware. I think it’s very possible that robots are loyal or respect or honor their owner, and they don’t need to be very smart to do that. Just as smart as a cat. I would like to say that one of the metaphors about our AI is to imagine them to be cats, really smart cats. They are really capable of doing a lot of things, and intelligent in a certain way. They are able to receive love, and even give us love. So I think the robots may care for people in the library, they may have relationship with humans. It’s like a monkey that can take care of you, people will feel very strong.（这是个关于人工智能和自我意识的好问题。机器人当然可以尊敬自己的创造者，或者说「母亲」，甚至对其产生情感，就像猫狗对主人表现出感情一样，这并不需要自我意识。我想，机器人很可能会忠于和尊重自己的主人，这并不需要多高的智能。你可以把人工智能想成猫，非常聪明的猫。它们能做很多事情，还拥有一定程度的智能，能够感受爱，甚至可以回馈爱。机器人可能会在图书馆里为人们服务，在这个过程中与人产生情感练习。人工智能就像一只猴子，能照顾你的猴子，这样的话，人就会对机器人产生强烈的感情。）
Anybody that has an emotional relationship with Roomba and other robots. If we have strong feelings towards something, say the pet. We may love the pet, pig or bird. Is there anybody that can love a robot?（有人对机器人产生过感情吗？我们会对一些东西产生强烈的感情，比如宠物，我们可能会爱宠物，不管是小猪还是小鸟。但有人「爱」过机器人吗？）
I think one thing that surprises us that we may have emotions or love for robots. They will also love us back. It’s not difficult to program emotions into AI. I think right now this is a crazy idea that we love robots, and robots love us back. But it’s going to happen, and a lot, and…（现在要是说人对机器人有感情，或者「爱」机器人，而且机器人还会反过来「爱」人，人们大概会觉得很惊讶。实际上，将情绪加入人工智能程序并不困难。上面提到的现象必定会发生……）
People will get used to it. Of course, we can love our pets, and our pets will show us love. Why we would think that a robot couldn’t do that?（人们也会习惯的。我们当然会爱自己的宠物，它们也会表现出来爱的样子。为什么机器人就不行呢？）
五、KK谈病毒
「将来，机器人安全会成为一个热门行业。」
嘉敏：Kevin，有个新问题。有网友问有关病毒的问题，就是最近爆发的超强病毒。他的问题是，如果将来机器人感染了病毒怎么办？
KK：Right. What if they have a ransomware for your robots? They stop working until you pay the ransom.（没错。如果出现了针对机器人的勒索病毒怎么办？只要不付钱，你的机器人就一直罢工。）
嘉敏：那我们怎么办？
KK：What we should do? Pay.（我们要怎么办？掏钱吧。）
李大巍：但是凯文，不能跟机器人谈判吗？
KK：You will have another robot that negotiate for you.（你会有专门的砍价机器人的。）
李大巍：我们可以培养一批机器人帮着来跟其他的机器人来砍价。这个也是未来的创业方向，大家可以试一下。
KK：It’s a good point about the fact that if we start to depend on the robots, then when they don’t work, that’s going to be very devastating to us. For sure, people will try to take over other people’s robots. I think people will do that. That will be an issue.Security for robots will be a big thing. We are teaching in businesses that we should not open emails by strangers. Now we should teach robots not to open emails, talk to or interactive with other robots. Don’t talk to strangers.（如果我们开始依赖机器人，那么它们一旦罢工就是大麻烦。这是一个很好的点。当然会有人尝试控制别人的机器人，这是一个问题，机器人安全会成为一个热门行业。在企业里，我们会教员工不要打开陌生邮件。现在我们也需要教机器人不要打开陌生邮件，不要与陌生的机器人交流。总之，「不要跟陌生人讲话」）
六、KK谈下一本书
「准备记录正在消失的亚洲传统。」
嘉敏：你的下一本书会写什么？
KK：I’m working on a book of photographs about the vanishing Asia, about the traditions that are disappearing, including those in China. The ceremonies, the festivals, the dresses, the rituals, they are all disappearing. I’m trying to document them before they disappear. That’s the immediate book that I am working on this year.（我目前正在做一本图册，讲述「消逝的亚洲」，呈现正在消失的亚洲传统，也包括中国的。仪式、节日、服饰、典礼，它们都在消失，我希望在它们彻底消失前将它们记录下来。我今年正在做的就是这件事。）
After that, the book I’m working on right now is trying to do a scenario for the future that is comprehensive, crossing many disciplines and the history. The scenario is going to include what roads will be like in 2051, 2052 and 2053. It’s comprehensive in the sense that it’s on the rise, but there are already some predecessor inventions that are also around at the same time. Everybody has phone, cellphone, phones on the desks. Phones of different ages. Technology has a history, it’s not just new stuff, but is new and all.（之后我会试图描绘一幅全面的、跨学科、有历史感的未来图景，谈谈2051、2052、2053年的道路会是什么样子的之类的问题。之所以说它是全面的，在于它不仅会谈正在兴起的新事物，而是会新旧共存。每个人都有电话，不仅有手机，也有座机，各个时代的电话。科技是有历史的，不仅包括新事物，也包含旧事物。）
It’s way of building a world. It’s called world building. It’s going to be a scenario, a picture of the future, but instead of having a world in 2050, but progressing in 2045,2047, each year. It has a history.（这就是所谓的「世界观搭建」，不只是描述2050年的世界是什么样的，而是要谈2045年，2047年，逐年地去讲。这是一个有历史的世界。）
I’m going to research the long-term trends of food, sports, education and transportation. But I want integrate them together, to make a single world, and use them to make some predictions. I want to write some science fictions in that world.（我会研究众多行业的长期趋势，包括食品、运动、教育、运输。我要把它们整合进一个完整的世界中，再用它们来进行预测。我还想在这个世界观的基础上创作科幻作品。）
七、KK谈音频专栏
「文化的中心已经不再是书本了。」
嘉敏：有一个问题，我得代我们的喜马拉雅的朋友们问一下，就是关于podcast的想法，就是Kevin怎么会想到做这个podcast，做这个音频的专栏。
KK：The problem with books is that fewer and fewer people are reading books. My kids don’t read books, their friends don’t read books. People are spending their time on Podcasts and YouTube.I want people to be aware that the center of the culture is not books anymore.（纸质书的问题在于，读书人越来越少。我的孩子不读书，他们的朋友也不读书。他们主要是听音频或者看视频。我希望人们注意和认识到，文化的中心已经不再是书本了。）
嘉敏：听众又提出来一个问题，说简单不简单，说复杂不复杂。怎么读您的书呢？因为您的书对一些读者来说非常难懂，有没有一种简单的方式读懂您的书呢？
KK：I think you should listen to thisPodcast we are doing. We are going to take one idea from the book and spend eight minutes of examples, and reinterpretation by Jiamin. That’s one way to read my books.（来听我们的喜马拉雅音频专栏吧，在专栏中，我们会选出一个书里的观点，然后通过原文、例子和赵嘉敏的阐释，来充实为一段八分钟的音频。这是一条阅读我的书的捷径。）
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