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传奇 - 巴西碾核New York Against The Belzebu乐队专访

火山杂志 2021-06-17 12:39:49

1988年美国的AxCx成立了，他们以一种明亮，快速，疯狂的风格全新的定义了碾核，这就是Grindnoise的由来，在AxCx定义了这种风格之后，有无数的乐队痴迷于这种风格，在其中也不缺乏优秀的乐队，比如我今天要介绍的这支来自巴西的New York Against The Belzebu乐队最为出色，这支1994年成立的老牌乐队以传统碾核为基础，加上一些Noise，Crust等元素在里面，New York Against The Belzebu乐队也是巴西最早邀请女性乐手加入的乐队之一，并且担任女歌手和键盘的职位，这在碾核乐队里面是非常少见的（如果大家看过早期Meat Sh**s乐队的视频的话，你们也会发现这支乐队也有一名女键盘手）而且New York Against The Belzebu乐队还在前不久发行了一本关于乐队历史的书籍，里面包含了很多关于乐队的珍贵资料，鼓手 / 歌手NELSON还拥有一家自己的标签ROTTHENNESS RECORDS主要发行自己乐队的专辑还有扶持一些巴西本土的乐队，比如曾今为巴西的Krisiun'乐队，C.V.I乐队，In Hell乐队，ROT乐队发行过专辑，就在前几个图我联系到了乐队的创始人鼓手 / 歌手NELSON进行了一次访谈，让我对这支在国内很少知道的乐队有了更多的了解（M: 代表笔者 N: 代表NELSON）

In 1988, AxCx in the United States was established. They completely defined the grind core with a bright, fast and crazy style. This is the origin of Grindnoise. After AxCx defined this style, countless bands are obsessed with this style. There is no shortage of excellent bands. For example, the New York Against The Belzebu band from Brazil I’m going to introduce today is the most outstanding. This veteran band established in 1994 is based on traditional grind core, plus some noise, Crust and other elements are in it. New York Against The Belzebu is also one of the first bands in Brazil to invite female musicians to join, and holds the position of female singer and keyboard, which is very rare in the Grind Nuclear Band (if you have seen the early In the case of Meat Sh**s’s video, you will also find that this band also has a female keyboard player) and New York Against The Belzebu recently released a book on the history of the band, which contains a lot of The valuable information of the band, the drummer/singer NELSON also has his own label ROTTHENNESS RECORDS, which mainly releases his own band's albums and supports some Brazilian bands, such as Krisiun' band, CVI band, In Hell band, ROT. The band has released albums. Just in the first few pictures, I contacted the band’s founder drummer/singer NELSON for an interview, which gave me a better understanding of this band that I don’t know much about in China (M: on behalf of the author) N: stands for NELSON)

M: 你好尼尔森，很高兴认识你，非常感谢你参加这次采访。我想这是你第一次接受中国杂志的采访。 New York Against The Belzebu 是一支非常有经验的乐队，你们 1994 年成立，后来是谁提出组建这个乐队的？纽约对抗贝尔西布这个名字有什么意义吗？这个名字是谁想出来的？

Hello NElson, I am very happy to meet you and thank you very much for participating in this interview. I think it’s the first time you have accepted an interview with a Chinese magazine. New York Against The Belzebu is a very experienced band, you guys Established in 1994, who then proposed the formation of this band? Does the name New York Against The Belzebu have any meaning? Who came up with this name?

N: 是的，这是我第一次上中文杂志，很高兴回复你。这个名字受到了 90 年代“纽约打击犯罪”系列节目的影响，我们想在那个时候乐队的“经典”噪音/研磨/hc 常用名称中取一个名字。我和一个朋友提出了这个想法。

Yes, its my first time on a Chinese magazine and Im very happy to reply you. The name was a kind influenced by that “New York Against the crime” program serie back in 90s and we wanted to have a name out of the “classic” noise/grind/hc usual names of bands in that time. Me and a friend came with the idea.

M: 您乐队的阵容有时会发生变化。你应该换了很多乐队成员。那么他们为什么退出乐队呢？还有一些特邀嘉宾帮助你录制专辑，比如 ROT 乐队成员。他们似乎帮助你录制专辑，你的乐队有女性成员加入。这在碾核风格的乐队中很少见，所以你为什么要邀请女性加入？你乐队的J.J.LIUIS是谁邀请加入乐队的呢？他的位置是KEYS。其实我很好奇这是什么位置？

Your band’s lineup sometimes changes. You should have changed a lot of band members. So why did they quit the band? There are also some special guests who helped you record albums such as ROT band members. They seem to have helped you record albums, and your band has female members joining. This is rare in a grindcore style band, so why do you invite women to join? Who is J.J.LIUIS of your band? His position is KEYS. In fact, I am very curious about what position is this?

N: 成员一直在乐队变换。部分原因是我总是希望有朋友和我一起玩，而不是音乐家。所以，人们可以自由地加入或不加入乐队。没有人被踢出局，他们今天只玩，今天不玩。这是我的过程。 Off shure 一些成员留在了 Years，如 Me、Marcos、Murilo、Junior。但我们从一开始就有超过 40 名成员。自 90 年代以来，ROT 成员就是我的朋友，并在一些版本中帮助了我们。从早期开始，我就希望在 NYAB 上有一个女声，因为我喜欢 grinnoise 中的女/男声。今天是一个很平常的，但在 1994 年它非常罕见。 J.J.LIUIS 在某些版本中在 NYAB 上演奏了 KEYS。 KEYS 是键盘。

Members are IN and OUT of the band all the time. Part of it is because I always want to have FRIENDS playing with me, not MUSICIANS. So, people are free to BE or NOT TO BE on the band. Nobody was kicked out, they just play today and not play today. Here´s my process. Off shure some members stay for Years, as Me, Marcos, Murilo, Junior. But We have more that 40 members since the begin. ROT members are friends of mine since 90s and just helped us in some releases. Since early days I wanted a female voice on NYAB because I love female/male voices in grindnoise. Today is a quite usual, but in 1994 its very rare to find. J.J.LIUIS played KEYS on NYAB in some releases. KEYS is Keyboard player.

M: 你的乐队是一支创意能力很强的乐队。您可以发行大量专辑。我觉得比利时的agathocles 乐队在这个世界上可以和你相提并论。那么你通常是如何创作歌曲的呢？，能说说这个过程吗？

Your band is a band with very strong creative ability. You can release a large number of albums. I think the agathocles band from Belgium can be compared with you in this world. So how do you usually create songs? , Can you talk about this process?

N: 是的，我们有很多发行版，（96 个完整/拆分专辑和 30 个合辑出现）但我们是一个 27 岁的grindnoisecore 乐队。我不认为有这么多。咳咳咳。我随时随地创作歌曲。洗澡、听歌、看电视通知、睡觉（是的，有些歌曲/歌词在我的梦/噩梦中出现）。例如，Napalm Death的致敬是在我睡觉的时候来到我身边的。事情正在播出，取决于你/我来观察和捕捉本质。也许生活在一个奇怪的地方

Yes, we have a lot of releases, (96 full/split albuns and 30 compilations appearences) but we are a 27 years old grindnoisecore band. I don´t think it´s so much. Kkkkkkkk. I create songs all the time and all places. Taking a shower, listenings songs, watching TV notices, sleeping (yes, some songs/lyrics came to me on my dreams/nightmares). The Napalm Death´s tribute, for example, came to me when I was sleeping). Things are on the air and depend of you/me to see and capture the essence. Maybe living in a bizar

M: 你们乐队的标志和专辑插图的设计非常独特，尤其是乐队标志是我见过的最独特的标志之一。它与碾核乐队的标志非常不同。你专辑的艺术作品也很独特。有一些真实的照片作为专辑艺术品，那么这些艺术品是谁为您设计的？有实物照片的艺术品有什么意义吗？

The design of your band’s logo and album artwork is very unique, especially the band’s logo is one of the most unique logos I’ve ever seen. It’s very unlike the logo of a grindcore band. Your album’s artwork is also very unique. There are some real photos as album artwork, so who designed these artworks for you? Does the artwork with real photos have any meaning?

N: 每个版本都有自己的特点。例如，“STUNT”、“É O FIM 2.1”、“ANTI-IDIOTAS”都有我们的老朋友兼艺术家 Edgar Franco 的作品。其他版本有我自己拍的照片。我总是使用一些与发布名称相关的图片。每个版本都有自己的历史。

Each release has own particularities. “STUNT”, “É O FIM 2.1”, “ANTI-IDIOTAS” for example, has artwork by our old friend and artist Edgar Franco. Others release has picures taken by myself. I always use some picture related with the name of release. Each release has its own history.

M: 你乐队的音乐主题是什么？你的歌有歌词部分吗？那么是谁创作了这些歌词，又是什么启发了他们呢？

What is the theme of your band's music? Do your songs have lyrics part? So who created these lyrics and what inspired them?

N: 我们谈论任何主题。我们有一些概念版本，如MERDA SENA、EU PROMETO、ODEIO NATAL等。例如“EU PROMETO”，所有歌曲的名称和歌词都是政客的承诺，但没有兑现。现在，我和阿迪尔森做歌词，但有些歌曲没有歌词。

We talk about any theme. We have some conceptual releases as MERDA SENA, EU PROMETO, ODEIO NATAL etc. “EU PROMETO” for example, the name and lyrics of all songs are promises of politicians that are not fulfilled. Nowadays, Me and Adilson do the lyrics, but some songs have not lyrics.

M: 我发现了一张非常有趣的专辑“Stunt”。专辑的美术和标志都模仿了英国著名的碾核乐队NAPALM DEATH，美术也模仿了专辑"Scum"，为什么会找到这个？一张专辑呢，我能理解这是对专辑"Scum"的致敬吗？

I found a very interesting album "Stunt". The artwork and logo of the album are all imitating the famous British grindcore band NAPALM DEATH, and the artwork is also imitating the album "Scum", so why did you find this? What about an album, can I understand that this is a tribute to the album "Scum"?

N: 是的，“STUNT”是一张致敬专辑，两年后在马来西亚以“From Endorsement to Observation”（第二张ND致敬）重新发行。埃德加弗兰科做了伟大的艺术作品，我对我的梦想有了想法。它来自“世界之外”。

Yes, “STUNT” is a tribute album and it was re-released 2 years after with “From Endorsement to Observation” (second ND tribute) on Malaysia. Edgar Franco did the GREAT artwork and I have the idea on my dreams. It came from “out of the World”.

M: 你发行的唱片太多了，包括一些知名的大公司和一些小公司。在这些标签中，您认为哪个标签对您的工作最满意？

You have released albums with too many labels, including some well-known big companies and some small companies. Which label do you think is most satisfying for your work among these labels?

N: 我自己的厂牌 ROTTHENNESS RECORDS 对我来说是 90 年代和 00 年代最好的。但几乎我们处理的标签对我们来说都很好，只有少数例外。目前，Skullgrind 和 Mark Hamilton（美国）是更好的人。

My own label, ROTTHENNESS RECORDS, for shure, was the best in 90s and 00s. But almost the labels we dealed was fine with us, with a few exceptions. At the moment, Skullgrinder and Mark Hamilton (USA) are better ones.

M: 我知道你去年出版了一本关于你乐队历史的书。这在碾核乐队中非常罕见。那么你为什么出版这本关于乐队的书呢？内容说明了什么？我觉得有很多关于乐队的有价值的信息，这本书是你自己写的吗？哪家公司为您发行了这本书？

I know that you released a book about your band's history last year. This is very rare among grindcore bands. So why did you release this book about the band? What does the content tell? I think there are a lot of valuable information about the band，Did you write this book yourself? Which company released this book for you?

N: 是的，这本书从 2020 年 12 月就准备好了。我从 2013 年就有这本书的想法，但直到现在在冠状病毒大流行中我才有时间写。我自己写的，关于 NYAB 节目、好奇心、有趣的故事，还有我在地下的历史、我的旧厂牌 Rotthenness Records、ROT 和 AÇÃO DIRETA 欧洲巡演（我是 97 和 98 年的司机），还有更多超过 100 张图片/展示传单等。我是为自己做的（没有任何公司参与），第一版出版了 100 本书，第二版出版了 50 多本书。这是一本 132 页的书，包含一张包含 33 首新歌曲和 66 首附赠曲目的官方 CD。它卖得很快，我只剩下一些副本了。任何有兴趣的人，请与我联系。

Yes, the book is ready since December 2020. I had the idea of the book since 2013, but only now in coronavírus pandemie I had time to write. I wrote it by myself and its about NYAB shows, curiosities, fun stories but also about my history on underground, my old label Rotthenness Records, ROT and AÇÃO DIRETA european tours (that I was the driver back in 97 and 98), with more than 100 pictures/shows flyers etc. I did it for myself (NO any company involved) and press 100 books on first edition and 50 more on second edition. It´s a 132 pages book and contains a oficial CD with 33 new songs and 66 bonus tracks. It´s solding fast and I have just some copies left. Any interested person, just contact me.

M: 你和太多乐队一起出专辑了，那你是怎么联系这些乐队出专辑的呢？

You have released albums with too many bands, so how do you get in touch with these bands to release albums?

N: 自从我在 90 年代拥有厂牌和杂志 Rotthenness 以来，我就接触过其中一些人，还有更多人要求我拆分，我们同意做出贡献。地下对我来说总是合作，而不是竞争。

Some of them I was in contact since I had the label and zine Rotthenness back in 90s, and many more asked me for a split and we agreed to contribute. Underground for me always was about cooperation, not competition.

M: 首先，祝贺你今年发行了你的最新专辑。我实际上是在 2005 年开始关注你的乐队。你演奏的是老派的碾核和噪音风格的音乐。你把这两种音乐风格结合得很好，甚至有些音乐变成了噪音风格，但我必须承认，你的音乐有一种很特别的魅力，让我注意到了你的乐队。从你的音乐中，我能感觉到AxCx乐队对你们的影响很大。那么您对自己的作品有什么看法吗？

First of all, congratulations to you for releasing your newest album this year. I actually started paying attention to your band in 2005. You play old school grindcore and noisecore styles of music. You combine these two music styles very well, and even Some music has become noise style, but I must admit that your music has a very special charm that has attracted me to pay attention to your band. From your music, I can feel that you are greatly influenced by the anal cunt band. So do you have any opinions about your works?

N: 从 87/88 开始，我就习惯用 Sound Pollution、7MON、AC、MShits、LARM 等来听grindnoise 的东西。一开始，NYAB 播放了grindcore，是的，我们将它与嘈杂的，有时是地壳部分混合在一起。但自 2014 年以来，或多或少，我们曾经玩过更多“经典”的噪音核心风格。我们的歌曲中仍然有一些“奇怪”的部分，但本质上是它的噪音核心。所有乐队在每次发行时都会变得更好，但我们决定做最差的。我们不是金属乐队，我们是grindcorenoise乐队。所以，我们不需要或试图变得更好，但每个版本都最糟糕。

I used to listening grindnoise stuff since 87/88 with Sound Pollution, 7MON, AC, MShits, LARM etc. In the beginning, NYAB played grindcore and yes, we mixed it with noisy and sometimes, crust parts. But since 2014, more or less, we used to play more “classical” noisecore style. We still have some “strange” parts on our songs, but its noisecore in essence. All bands tend to be better each release, but we decided to be WORST. We are not a metal band, we are a grindcorenoise band. So, we don´t need or try to be better, but worst each release.

M: 你的乐队成立多年，我想你肯定参加过很多音乐节或者现场表演，那么哪些音乐节或者现场表演给你留下了深刻的印象？你可以告诉我一些关于音乐节或现场表演的事情

Your band has been established for many years, and I think you must have participated in many music festivals or live performances, so which music festivals or live performances have impressed you? You can tell me something about music festivals or live performances

N: 我们从来没有参加过盛大的音乐节，因为我们根本不想参加。地下音乐节对我们来说还可以，而且现场演奏和结识朋友总是很棒的。也许 1997 年在 Ginasio da Portuguesa 举办的 Rodeio Fest 是最好的，因为有很多人在唱我们的歌！这对我们来说非常好。

We never played in great festivals because we simply don´t want to. Underground festivals are OK for us and its always great to play live and meet friends. Maybe Rodeio Fest in Ginasio da Portuguesa back in 1997 was the best, because its a LOT of people singing our songs! It was very good for us.

M: 乐队在接下来的日子里有什么新的工作要做吗？比如，如果你录制更多歌曲并发行更多专辑，你能透露一些信息吗？

Is there any new work for the band to do in the coming days? For example, if you record more songs and release more albums, can you reveal some information?

N: NYAB/ARCHAGATUS的拆分的 EP 于 2021 年 4 月以 Skullgrinder 标签（美国）准备就绪。联系他们以获取更多信息。

The split EP NYAB/ARCHAGATUS was ready under the Skullgrinder label (USA) in April 2021. Contact them for more info

New York Against The Belzebu乐队主要作品：

New York Against The Belzebu – Are You Ready For Noise ?