2008-06-09 21:04:30
来自: lixunhuan
Изгнание / 将爱放逐的评论
这是萨金塞夫导演的第二部电影，而他的处女作，就是五年前捧起威尼斯金狮奖的《回归》。单此一点是不是已经足以构成了很强大的推荐理由？
而实际上《将爱放逐》这部片子在某些层面上甚至已经超越了《回归》，毫不夸张地说，这部片子和塔可夫斯基、米哈尔科夫等大师的作品已经等量齐观，共同构筑成对俄罗斯这片厚重浑凝的土地最沉挚的礼赞。和其他艺术形式一样，真正伟大的电影，从来都是对人，和人周遭的环境和状态的一种描述和升华。
我不用这么严肃的词语已经很久，但非此无法形容我两个月前观影本片的感受。从悬疑到家庭伦理，最后上升到宗教哲学层面的思考。很难说自己完全参透了人物行为的动机，但这就是俄罗斯人，永远是那么的深沉、忧郁、难以捉摸。片末的一场暴雨犹如神来之笔，洗涤着剧中人的罪洐，荡涤着观者的灵魂空间。
萨金塞夫的拍摄很沉得住气，因此观众也必须能沉得住气，才能在广袤的广角镜和长镜头中间不至于迷失电影的本质。两个月前在香港大会堂的观影经历一直难忘，前几天看到bt上有种子，文艺片爱好者万勿错过。
Изгнание / 将爱放逐的评论
这是萨金塞夫导演的第二部电影，而他的处女作，就是五年前捧起威尼斯金狮奖的《回归》。单此一点是不是已经足以构成了很强大的推荐理由？
而实际上《将爱放逐》这部片子在某些层面上甚至已经超越了《回归》，毫不夸张地说，这部片子和塔可夫斯基、米哈尔科夫等大师的作品已经等量齐观，共同构筑成对俄罗斯这片厚重浑凝的土地最沉挚的礼赞。和其他艺术形式一样，真正伟大的电影，从来都是对人，和人周遭的环境和状态的一种描述和升华。
我不用这么严肃的词语已经很久，但非此无法形容我两个月前观影本片的感受。从悬疑到家庭伦理，最后上升到宗教哲学层面的思考。很难说自己完全参透了人物行为的动机，但这就是俄罗斯人，永远是那么的深沉、忧郁、难以捉摸。片末的一场暴雨犹如神来之笔，洗涤着剧中人的罪洐，荡涤着观者的灵魂空间。
萨金塞夫的拍摄很沉得住气，因此观众也必须能沉得住气，才能在广袤的广角镜和长镜头中间不至于迷失电影的本质。两个月前在香港大会堂的观影经历一直难忘，前几天看到bt上有种子，文艺片爱好者万勿错过。
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编剧: Artyom Melkumian, Oleg Negin
影名: Изгнание
导演: Andrei Zvyagintsev
简体中文名: 将爱放逐
制片国家/地区: 俄罗斯
上映日期: 2007-11-23
imdb编号: tt0488905
语言: 俄语
主演: Aleksandr Baluyev, Maria Bonnevie, Konstantin Lavronenko, Dmitri Ulyanov, Maksim Shibayev
又名: Izgnanie, Le Bannissement, The Banishment, Zapakh kamnya, 將愛放逐, 放逐, 驱逐, 将爱放逐
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2008-06-15 01:09:35 左加菲
能解释一下基本剧情吗~~看得有些疑问~特别是对妻子的处境和选择不太理解。。。2008-06-15 17:37:58 lixunhuan
imdb上的讨论，可能会有帮助am not sure myself but I guess It's because it wasn't their child like the two others. For every parent the child they create is their, it belongs to them: that's a materialistic point of view. But when you believe in a god that creates all the things on universe well all that you do and yourself are not yours anymore. It's god's. She felt they didn't own the child because she started to believe in it. That's why thete is all that iconography of the announcement to Mary because Jesus wasn't her child, it's god's.
Well your explanation does make sense, but I can't believe that any rational mother would put her child's life (and as we see in the movie, her own) in jeopardy by saying to her husband that its not his child, just because she feels that men should not dominate the family, even though men have done this since the dawn of humanity (yeah i know its a run-on sentence).
Well, it can be also an other interpretation not religious.
It can be a critic of anthropocentrism. Men always want to possess and control everything but Vera says that the new child is free from his parents, they don't own him.
When she tells her friend that her husband is selfish and tends to own his family because he is like all the other machomen and he behave like that with the two first sons. They are condamned to be his legacy because he raised them for it. It's too late for them to be free. But the new one can not be raised in that path.
And when she says it's not his son, she acts like Keoma, at the end of Castellari film of the same name when he abandon his son and says he won't name him because he have to be free of his history, he must not carry his father legacy.
In fact, Vera tries like a tsunami to destroy the Icarus myth that resume the history of technology of men. Men always tried to own and dominate the world like gods that would be outside the world that's why he invented all this technology for protection. And the first creation of man is his reproduction, his child. Well, that's Vera seemed to say when she criticized her husband.
2008-06-16 00:58:20 左加菲
囧囧囧囧RZ。。。我就是看的英文字幕有的地方不太确定才问你剧情啊~~
又让我自己翻译英文评论？
你就告诉我她怎么死的，为什么死的，不是简单点？
是因为对丈夫和生活的绝望以及生病才想死吗？最后不是因为手术而死，而是自己服药过量自杀的吗？她在怀孕通知单背面写的什么？……
sigh~
2008-06-16 12:36:40 lixunhuan
怎么死的基本没有疑问，手术后吞服大量安眠药自杀而死。为什么要自杀这个就有点难解释了，按照剧情的说法基本可以理解为她对丈夫坚持要她堕胎而感到痛苦。
至于为什么明明是她老公的孩子而说成是别人的孩子这个就更费解了，上面imdb的讨论就是围绕着这个问题开展的。提到了宗教上的原因，耶稣和玛丽亚的关系。和anthropocentrism（姑且翻成人类中心论）的原因，这个好像和胡适说的孩子并不属于父母有点像。
anyway，我都不太能理解人物的动机，丘吉尔不也说过吗，永远不要揣测俄罗斯人的想法。
2008-07-05 14:12:25 王羲渊&梅诗金
Андрей Звягинцев确实给人们带来了如同Тарковский那般诗哲一样的影像，至于米哈尔科夫就算了吧。他代表不了俄罗斯电影，更代表不了俄罗斯电影诗2008-07-22 23:58:38 米苏·桃夭
“Vera says that the new child is free from his parents, they don't own him.”“In fact, Vera tries like a tsunami to destroy the Icarus myth that resume the history of technology of men. Men always tried to own and dominate the world like gods that would be outside the world that's why he invented all this technology for protection. And the first creation of man is his reproduction, his child.”还好，这个我总算看出来了
勉强算抓到一点中心了..
多谢贴了imdb上的评论～
2008-10-09 00:05:31 sharon酱
我觉得验孕单后写的是真相。。是老公的孩子却说不是，我觉得是她想以此解决夫妻之间的问题，她不是说他很陌生，他们之间很疏远吗？。。
我觉得重点不是孩子丫（也许是我没看出来啦），觉得是夫妻感情之间的冷漠和陌生，慢慢变得不了解。。
觉得最棒的是，当我最后知道她没有背叛他丈夫，回想起她一直的神色，感觉很有味道！
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