2006-04-26 13:31:12
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V for Vendetta / V字仇杀队的评论



一, 电影
很久没有看过这么全方位精彩的电影了。
之所以说它全方位精彩是说不管你喜欢电影的什么方面,你都能在VFV (V For Vendentta)里面找到自己的最爱。
你喜欢政治哲学的,里面有问题让你思考“如果恐惧成为了维系政权的工具,那么人民是否应该拿起暴力作为武器?”
你要是喜欢平等自由,公民权力的,里面有保护少数群体权益(比如同性恋),反对国家思想检查,支持言论自由等等。
你要是喜欢咬文嚼字(英文了),喜欢文字游戏的,里面有似韵非韵的偈语,里面有莎士比亚的台词。
你要是就喜欢视觉刺激,听觉享受,就只图看个热闹,听个动静。里面有场面宏大的爆破,《黑客帝国》式的华丽打斗,忧伤的Cry me a river,柴可夫斯基的1812序曲。
你要是喜欢演技的,那么Natalie Portman在电影里面的演出绝对让你满意。她的角色在片中感情跨度相当之大,从屈辱到感动,从镇定自若到disbelieve ,她都把握的丝丝入扣。这部电影是我感觉她演的最好的一部。不光是她,里面若干配角不管从选角到表演都有出彩的地方,特别是那个 Chief Inspector Finch。
二, 如果恐惧成为了维系政权的工具,那么人民是否应该拿起暴力作为武器?
这个问题其实早就有答案了。
1. 独立宣言(The Declaration of Independence)里面
先说 人的基本权力是 Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness
然后说 That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, 政府建立的目的就是维护人的这些基本权利
接着说 That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it. 不管什么样的政府,只要危害到人民的这些权利了,人民就有权改变或者废除这样的政府。
当然这不是说你随便找个小事情(比如被开罚单了)就可以推翻政府 Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes
但是,当追逐同一目标的一连串滥用职权和强取豪夺发生,证明政府企图把人民置于专制统治之下时,那么人民就有权利,也有义务推翻这个政府,并为他们未来的安全建立新的保障
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
这里 it is their right, it is their duty. 不光光是权利,而且是duty, moral obligation 起来造反。
2. 杰佛逊 Thomas Jefferson 有句话更直接
what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? 如果统治者不被人民的反抗意识所畏惧的话,什么样的国家可以保障自由呢?
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants.
自由之树木需要不时地用爱国者和暴君的鲜血来浇灌。
3.林肯也有类似的思想,比如在他的就职演说里面,他说。
This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing Government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it.
其实这样的理论,我们祖宗也有的。
有人问孟子,推翻 夏桀、商纣,是不是弑君,是不是不义。
他说 “贼仁者谓之贼, 贼义者谓之残,残贼之人,谓之一夫,闻诛一夫纣矣,未闻弑君也。”
三,台词
这部电影的台词对于整部电影的意义完全可以用画龙点睛来形如。
V 出场的自白,一长段话里面几乎每句话的每个单词都是以v开始,真的是帅呆了 :)
Voilà! In view, a humble vaudevillian veteran, cast vicariously as both victim and villain by the vicissitudes of Fate. This visage, no mere veneer of vanity, is it vestige of the vox populi, now vacant, vanished. However, this valorous visitation of a by-gone vexation, stands vivified, and has vowed to vanquish these venal and virulent vermin vanguarding vice and vouchsafing the violently vicious and voracious violation of volition. The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous. Verily, this vichyssoise of verbiage veers most verbose so let me simply add that it's my very good honor to meet you and you may call me V.
hehe, 真的很cool,还有这个
Evey Hammond: Who--who are you?
V: Who? Who is but the form following the function of what... and what I am is a man in a mask.
Evey Hammond: I can see that.
V: Of course you can. I'm not questioning your powers of observation, I'm merely remarking on the paradox of asking a masked man who he is.
和这个
A revolution without dancing...is a revolution not worth having!
特别是这个
Creedy: Die! Why won't you die?
V: Beneath this mask there is more than flesh. There is an idea, Mr. Creedy - and ideas are bulletproof.
这里有更多的台词:
http://www.imdb.com/ title/tt0434409/quot es
4 总结
这样精彩的电影因为主题的关系应该是不会在国内上映了。
如果以后出了D版DVD的话,请大家一定收藏一份,保证绝不让你失望!
最后,用V的两句话来收尾吧。
People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people.
A revolution without dancing is a revolution not worth having!
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V for Vendetta / V字仇杀队的评论




一, 电影
很久没有看过这么全方位精彩的电影了。
之所以说它全方位精彩是说不管你喜欢电影的什么方面,你都能在VFV (V For Vendentta)里面找到自己的最爱。
你喜欢政治哲学的,里面有问题让你思考“如果恐惧成为了维系政权的工具,那么人民是否应该拿起暴力作为武器?”
你要是喜欢平等自由,公民权力的,里面有保护少数群体权益(比如同性恋),反对国家思想检查,支持言论自由等等。
你要是喜欢咬文嚼字(英文了),喜欢文字游戏的,里面有似韵非韵的偈语,里面有莎士比亚的台词。
你要是就喜欢视觉刺激,听觉享受,就只图看个热闹,听个动静。里面有场面宏大的爆破,《黑客帝国》式的华丽打斗,忧伤的Cry me a river,柴可夫斯基的1812序曲。
你要是喜欢演技的,那么Natalie Portman在电影里面的演出绝对让你满意。她的角色在片中感情跨度相当之大,从屈辱到感动,从镇定自若到disbelieve ,她都把握的丝丝入扣。这部电影是我感觉她演的最好的一部。不光是她,里面若干配角不管从选角到表演都有出彩的地方,特别是那个 Chief Inspector Finch。
二, 如果恐惧成为了维系政权的工具,那么人民是否应该拿起暴力作为武器?
这个问题其实早就有答案了。
1. 独立宣言(The Declaration of Independence)里面
先说 人的基本权力是 Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness
然后说 That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, 政府建立的目的就是维护人的这些基本权利
接着说 That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it. 不管什么样的政府,只要危害到人民的这些权利了,人民就有权改变或者废除这样的政府。
当然这不是说你随便找个小事情(比如被开罚单了)就可以推翻政府 Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes
但是,当追逐同一目标的一连串滥用职权和强取豪夺发生,证明政府企图把人民置于专制统治之下时,那么人民就有权利,也有义务推翻这个政府,并为他们未来的安全建立新的保障
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
这里 it is their right, it is their duty. 不光光是权利,而且是duty, moral obligation 起来造反。
2. 杰佛逊 Thomas Jefferson 有句话更直接
what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? 如果统治者不被人民的反抗意识所畏惧的话,什么样的国家可以保障自由呢?
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants.
自由之树木需要不时地用爱国者和暴君的鲜血来浇灌。
3.林肯也有类似的思想,比如在他的就职演说里面,他说。
This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing Government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it.
其实这样的理论,我们祖宗也有的。
有人问孟子,推翻 夏桀、商纣,是不是弑君,是不是不义。
他说 “贼仁者谓之贼, 贼义者谓之残,残贼之人,谓之一夫,闻诛一夫纣矣,未闻弑君也。”
三,台词
这部电影的台词对于整部电影的意义完全可以用画龙点睛来形如。
V 出场的自白,一长段话里面几乎每句话的每个单词都是以v开始,真的是帅呆了 :)
Voilà! In view, a humble vaudevillian veteran, cast vicariously as both victim and villain by the vicissitudes of Fate. This visage, no mere veneer of vanity, is it vestige of the vox populi, now vacant, vanished. However, this valorous visitation of a by-gone vexation, stands vivified, and has vowed to vanquish these venal and virulent vermin vanguarding vice and vouchsafing the violently vicious and voracious violation of volition. The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous. Verily, this vichyssoise of verbiage veers most verbose so let me simply add that it's my very good honor to meet you and you may call me V.
hehe, 真的很cool,还有这个
Evey Hammond: Who--who are you?
V: Who? Who is but the form following the function of what... and what I am is a man in a mask.
Evey Hammond: I can see that.
V: Of course you can. I'm not questioning your powers of observation, I'm merely remarking on the paradox of asking a masked man who he is.
和这个
A revolution without dancing...is a revolution not worth having!
特别是这个
Creedy: Die! Why won't you die?
V: Beneath this mask there is more than flesh. There is an idea, Mr. Creedy - and ideas are bulletproof.
这里有更多的台词:
http://www.imdb.com/
4 总结
这样精彩的电影因为主题的关系应该是不会在国内上映了。
如果以后出了D版DVD的话,请大家一定收藏一份,保证绝不让你失望!
最后,用V的两句话来收尾吧。
People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people.
A revolution without dancing is a revolution not worth having!
93/98人推荐
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V for Vendetta
编剧: Andy Wachowski Larry Wachowski
导演: James McTeigue
主演: Natalie Portman Hugo Weaving Rupert Graves Stephen Rea
上映年度: 2005
官方网站: http://vforvendetta.warnerbros.com/
影名: V for Vendetta
语言: 英语
imdb编号: tt0434409
制片国家/地区: 美国
简体中文名: V字仇杀队
又名: 复仇者V V怪客
2006-06-13 00:34:22 于是
写的好~2006-11-19 11:17:44 gole
要不然美国怎么能合法拥有武器2007-01-05 23:39:40 北平℡
说得好!2007-05-05 16:08:39 futurecy
恩!!我看了两遍...2007-06-12 17:27:22 bluejudy
不过,暴力革命总会留下后遗症,比如法国大革命。还是需要慎用。美国提倡的自由平等总归是以信仰为根基的,暴力也不是美国公民保障自己权力的主要方式。我还是更加欣赏梭罗在On Civil Disobediance里面的态度。
2007-10-16 01:30:52 mingming
非常精彩的电影.<独立宣言>是伟大的言论.美国是个伟大的国家.
P.S.我真懒惰
2007-11-10 20:12:32 光影的喧哗
看来你喜欢研究政治!2007-12-01 22:52:42 无尽的夏
楼主这样的人生活在中国一定觉得很痛苦2008-03-20 18:56:04 白色芭蕾
其实对于政治对于民主对于革命我真的不敢说自己看懂了多少,可是我还是喜欢这本片子,就当是冲着开场之后这句和娜塔莉·波曼吧But you cannot kiss an idea, can not touch it, or hold it... ideas do not bleed, they do not feel pain, they do not love...
2008-03-30 14:43:17 牧先生@整装再出发!
其实这个问题应该可以去Hobbes和Locke的著作里面去对比阅读,关于政权的合法性合理性权威性...毕竟背景是英国,还是找找英国政治学理论的讨论.
2008-04-05 20:49:42 勃大茎深
写的很深刻啊 今天才注册的发现这里人才真多啊2008-04-21 13:26:25 薏米
看了很震撼哇。2008-04-26 19:24:24 kingRaise
开场的V字开头的一连串单词看得我眼花缭乱2008-06-08 21:53:34 B.C.♪
美国的价值观和英国及中国差别太大了吧毕竟你是钻在中国人的皮囊里来说话
我觉得如果7成半的篇幅引用中华文人 其他再分片引用英美欧或亚拉美非
会好一点
当然 就电影说电影
big brother is watching you
但是它也会装作看不见的 哈哈
咱们这真的很奇妙!
2008-06-10 13:02:21 云卷云舒
很好看的电影。记得那天加完班回宾馆看到内部台在播,刚开始是被视觉和听觉效果震撼了,再后来是被其内容感染。心里默想,这样的电影在中国肯定拍不出来。
2008-06-10 19:46:07 LipingTaBaBa
看上去是好电影,可是海报为什么那么猥琐?2008-06-11 09:33:11 狗熊爱美丽
这个评论还他妈真的不是一般性的差2008-06-23 23:11:13 烤鱼哥哥吃愤怒的葡萄
伟大的电影...广义的来说,你敢说某种程度上电影里的事件在中国不是事实? !华盛顿创造了美国,杰佛逊思考了美国.
"人生而平等"...
可怜200多年后,地球的另一半,我们祖国,现在,还一个主子奴才的国家,或者,是一个主子奴才思想根深蒂固的国家...公仆...
FUCK!
FUCK!
2008-07-13 20:17:43 臰臰
没好好学习英文,真后悔。2008-07-15 10:45:15 lovely pig
说的让我很是憧憬2008-07-26 14:07:17 半个苹果
在分析英语课文还是在做翻译作业......汗...2008-09-24 00:32:46 vforvedentta
这部片子中国bt都被封了。说英国,还怕。2008-10-03 02:07:04 Cy
封了好!一封就红!!2008-10-05 13:02:15 吴地自容
封是封不住滴。。。某种程度上是更加严酷版的《The Truman Show》